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Eh, Muhammed Ali said multiple times that he was the GOAT boxer & most people would agree with him. 9
>No, hes not a top 10 player of all time. No, hes not obviously better than Wade. No, hes not having the greatest season of all time. >Hes playing at a legendary level but calm the fuck down, its December. People keep shitposting dumb takes to try 2
Luka 16
Tbf, Reggie Miller couldnt really create a shot either 6
Iguodala > Curry confirmed. 1
Yeah, AI was actually great during post-season where he showed up. Something I cant really say for Harden whos very underwhelming in playoff series lol 1
Dirk being washed up nowadays doesnt mean we shouldnt respect of how amazing he was during his career. 20
The same 73 win team that choked away a 1-3 lead against Cleveland? 1
I mean, almost every NBA superstar have won the Championship with an another player with same caliber. The likes of Dirk and Hakeem winning NBA for their respective team are outliners. 2
Dominique Wilkins wasnt part of NBAs top 50 greatest players of all time. 2
I mean, are we gonna forget that Warriors choked in 2016 NBA finals despite having a 3-1 lead vs. Cavs. Having a 73-9 doesnt mean much without having a Championship. Durant made the correct decision for joining Warriors & hell be regarded as a top 1 1
I mean, KD joined a team that choked away a 3-1 lead in NBA finals against Cleveland despite having a 73-9 win. 4
Ray Allen + Kevin Garnett teamed up with Paul Pierce in Celtics before that happened. 0
Doesnt change the fact that 3 All-Stars teamed up together. Also, theyre still in their prime when Celtics won the Championship. -1
> led the 73-9 warriors (ik they lost but it’s still one of the greatest regular seasons of all time). 73-9 doesnt mean anything without a ring tho. I mean, giving away a 3-1 lead against Cavs is one of the biggest choke jobs in NBA history and Cu -14
You realize that Cavs became the 1st team in history to ever overcome 3-1 deficit to win NBA finals? Which was completely unthinkable considering Warriors were overwhelming favorites to win that series. Theres a reason why Warriros went out and signed 1
Depends on if theyre great 3-point shooters. Otherwise, no. 1
Its unfair for any European player to be compared with Luka, that guy is an anomaly. 3
Still cannot believe that Duncan never won DOTY during his entire career... 9
>Luka is the best player in the 2018 draft FTFY And its not even close 29
So Kevin Durant isnt a snake? 0
Any footage of that? 1
No. Hell be a free agent during 2020 1
Perhaps you should read the thread than jumping into that conclusion? >Weve to remember that getting into Basketball Hall of Fame isnt just about what a player has done in NBA. -5
Tim Duncan carried Spurs to a Championship in 03 with a washed up Robinson and Manu/Parker being inexperienced. -1
>Yeah Durants rings mean less Eh, Kevin Durant won back-to-back FMVPS and has been GSWs best player in the post-season. He has 100% earned his rings, its not like KD played garbage minutes while his teammates did the heavy lifting. 2
When you take into account of what I mentioned above, Currys first ring isnt that much valuable. The next year, Cavs (this time with both Kyrie & Love available) won NBA Finals 2016. 0
Hell be remebered as an all-time great 2
Who knows. Its impossible to prove one way or another. 14
Kobe isnt even the top 3 laker of all time 2
Only Luka Doncic and Ayton seems to already be the real deal. 1
Ask Brian Scalabrine 2
Wtf 5
Hello Luka! My question is how does social media effect players these days? Do you guys read comments on Twitter/Instagram, and how do you deal with criticism via these platforms? 2
I mean, NBA during 1970s were one of the weakest eras ever. ABA was better than NBA at the time. 1
Trae 2
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| Michael Jordan | LeBron James :-----:|:-----:|:-----:|:----: Career points| 32 292 | 32 280 | Career points per game| 30.1 | 27.1 | Field Goals| 12 192 |11 735| Field Goal per game| 11.4 |9.9| Field Goal Attempts| 24 537 |23 275| Field Goal 1
No. Spent a season in college and missed almost entire 2014-15 season. 1
Sounds just excuses. Wiggins is argubaly the biggest bust of this decade. 3
No. Must prove himself in the playoffs first. 6
Prime T-Mac never won a playoff series... 3
No. -6
Yup. Had 9 turnovers & 38% shooting in game 6 during 2010. 0
Only because KDs move to Warriors prevented LeBron to win any more rings. 4
Eh, Kobe Bryant is regarded as one of the most universally beloved athletes of his generation. Its almost comparable with the same amount of love Dirk & Magic (the player, not GM) gets. 0
Larry Bird is still the 2nd greatest small forward OAT - for now. Durant still needs a couple of more rings (as the best player for Warriors) in order to surpass Bird. 7
>to the best team of all time Not really. Having that said, Warriors are heading towards a possible 3-peat with Durant as their best player. Something not even Larry Bird was capable of. 1
>Then they blew the first 3-1 lead in Finals history If youre gonna discredit Warriors 2015 Championship, I can easily do the same for Cavs 2016 Championship. - Curry playing through injury. - Draymond getting suspended for game 5. - Bougt getting 11
> Its been a bum year by LeBron standards Eh, its considered as a bum year since LeBron failed to leading his team into playoffs. Nobody has downplayed LeBrons amazing individual stats. 1
LeBrons career points per game is significantly much higher than Prime Kareem. 1
Dame never had the luxary to play alongside with Kevin Durant tho... 16
Nephew, thats enough internet for today 24
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If Warriors wins, why should Durant even consider leave with a possible 4-peat? Something that hasnt been done since Bill Russells Celtics in the 60s. 2
Miami Heat got rid of 9 players & got argubaly best PF from 09/10 regular season in Bosh before LeBron joined them. That team was expected to win at least a 3-peat, even LeBron said it would be easy lol. 14
And water is wet. 1
That 73-9 team didnt win a championship and more importantly, they choked away a 3-1 lead in NBA Finals. Something it has never happened before in NBA history. If Warriors went into the Finals in next season w/o Durant,Cavaliers would have a mental adva 0
Didnt Tim Duncan won NBA Championship 2003 more or less single-handedly with a very weak supporting cast? 3
Probably on same level as Kemba Walker. 1
Durant. 16
Prime LeBron/Wade/Bosh being underdogs against an inexperienced young OKC team? Just revisionist history as it finest. 3
Vince Carter probably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqVA80mIzA&t 1
Playoff Rondo. 5
Thanks 1
Including an unanimous MVP, which has never happened before in NBA history. 0
Curry would have 0 rings in 2015 if Kyrie & Kevin Love were available. 0
And KD being more efficient and can score in countless of ways. 5
And Wade actually passed the 1st round multiple times lol. 3
Curry certainly cares about Finals MVP, everyone is holding that against him. 0
Dwights supporting cast of Jameer Nelson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Rashard Lewis was easily much better than Mo Williams, Delonte West and a old Zydrunas Ilgauskas -2
I know, Im just supporting it. 2
Durant is avg. 6 assists per game in a ball sharing system. He can definitely get more assists if he was allowed to be a ball-dominant player like LeBron, Westbrook etc. and being surrounded with shooters to kick it out. 0
When Westbrook went down in 2014 and he basically played full-time point forward for the first time his life, he averaged 7-8 assists during that stretch. But yeah, he definitely doesnt have the potential to be an elite playmaker of averaging that many as 1
Go to sleep nephew... 1
Devin Booker is not white... 20
Curry has been anything but MVP-level during this playoffs and both him & Klay have had bad shooting nights. And Warriors may still have the core from 73-win season, but their bench is arguably the weakest compared to any remaining teams in the playof -1
Kobe. 23
Thanks mate. 1
At least, Giannis is playing for a historical franchise & have done an great job to surround him quality pieces. Something Pelicans never did for Davis. 1
Kanter. 0
Durant was carrying hard for Warriors (until he got injured) Playoffs 2019. Hes a necessary than luxury. 4
Durant (or anyone else) has no effect on how poorly their shooting were lmfao. Clippers took 2 games and played out of their skin. Durant was the reason with Warriors came out alive. 1
Houston Rockets 1
If you cannot reach the playoff, youre automatically disqualified from "best player itw" conversation. Yes, I know that LeBron got injured and miss games for a while and its kinda unlucky for him. However, Lakers were still in the playoffs contention w -3
>KD staying in Golden State ​ If Durant plays in NBA Finals and wins a chip, then Id agree with you. Otherwise, hes probably leaving. 1
Bucks have much bigger chances to win over KD-less Warriors, I cant say the same for Raptors. 10
Durant was important for Warriors in 2019 playoffs. They wouldnt have made it out from the 1st round without him. 0
Yes, but not until Game 3 I think. 2
no. Dirk isnt top 10 player OAT despite his 2011 ring. 28
If thats the case, Warriors shouldve used Durant way before theyre down with 1-3.... But they didnt. -2
Fun fact. Andre Iguodala has 1 more Finals MVP than Steph Curry. 3
And Kawhi won his 1st Finals MVP as a role player at Spurs. He wasnt even an all-star back then. -1
So did Iggy during NBA Finals 2015 lmfao. He was (and still is) a role player like Kawhi used to be in 2014. 0
Given to how Durant isnt even 100% healthy, it definitely would be the greatest 3-1 comeback if he delivers. -33
Never mind on how Bogut (All-Defense caliber player with great rim protection) was missed too. 0
Yeah. Durant wouldnt have passed Kareems point tally anyway even if he was healthy. He came into the league as a one-and-done player & missed almost entire 2014-15 season due to foot injury. 3
I wonder how long this thread will last until it gets deleted. 1
LeBron himself was individually awful against during 2007 with his poor shooting splits. 0
Too long, didnt read lol 1
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KD definitely left as you described 1
To be fair, Kyrie won a playoff series as the No.1 guy. Westbrook has never accomplished that in 2016-2019. 2
KD is (or rather **was**, if he doesnt return to his old self) a monster too. 4
KD 5
And KD avg. 30 ppg on godly 65 TS% against Miami Heats elite defense in the Finals. 6
Eh, Kobe wouldve quit if Lakers didnt got Paul Gasol. 2
And Paul Gasol arguably shouldve won Finals MVP 2010. 2
Yes. -1
Hell be remembered as the GOAT 3-point shooter 10
Kawhi & LeBron saving themselves for the playoffs is only positive for them. 1
Reddit 4
Both are great offensively, but Embiid is a far superior defender than KAT. 19
What makes you rank Prime Dwight over AD? 3
That Orlando Magic 2009 team wasnt bad. Jameer was a legit All Star averaging 17/5 on 50/45/89. Rashard Lewis was an All Star that year too averaging 18/6/3. Turkoglu was coming off an MIP year and he was a very good player averaging 17/5/5. Those 3 pla 0
How skilled was Dwight on offense? 1
The Kings & Suns also passed on Trae Young lol 6
Tbf, Greg Oden was amazing in college. He was on same level as KD. Injuries derailed his career. 5
He needs a Top 2 seed unless if Luka does have a historic season like Westbrook in 16/17. 1
Lol, no. 2
>being the best player in the league for 10 years is why. Extremely debatable... -1
LeBron is amazing, but he played in a significantly weaker Conference on super teams to reach 8 straight NBA Finals. I really doubt he wouldve accomplished this record if LeBron spent his entire prime in the West. 2
Almost every MVP winner over past 20 years lead their franchises to a top 2 seed. Westbrook is the only exception because of avg. a triple double for a full season. 3
Theres a post about it on front page... https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/dyq16o/thank_you_freedawkins/ 4
The 76ers with 4 All-Star level players or Bucks with MVP Giannis wouldve probably eliminated 2018 Cavs. 9
*3-1 against LeBron in the NBA Finals. 5
Youve been doing Gods work here on /r/nba. Out of curiosity, how long does it take for doing a NBA Almanac? 1
If Kawhi didnt won NBA Championship last season, the load management wouldnt be a big deal. 2
Trae Young was having a hot streak 6
Iggy to Clippers. 2
Too long, didnt read. 3
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>Why did he run away from guarding players of his own position? Lebron/magic would never do that. LeBron ran away from guarding KD during NBA Finals lol. 4
Finding a player of Kevin Durants level in FA. 17
Kyrie is living a mansion rent free in peoples heads lol 2
Messi & Cristiano are only perceived as equal in term of scoring, just like with KD & LeBron. But thats really much about it. Messi & LeBron were still regarded as the best player in thier sports even when KD & CR7 had team success. 1
Harden couldnt win against Curry-less Warriors in 2016. 0
r/NBA and hating on Kevin Durant 0
GSW also lost Bogut, Speights, Ezeli & Barbosa 5
Im not saying hes Jordans level, but Bogut was a very big reason for GSWs 73-9 record. He was an elite rim protector & All-Defensive level player. LeBron, Kyrie & Tristian were doninating inside the paint during NBA Finals 2016 in Boguts absence. 4
Easily Dirk. He had a legendary playoff-run & won a ring without 2 All-Stars in their prime 2
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Yes 1
>2016: Golden State Warriors go 73-9, win the title and become the greatest team in NBA history >2017: Cleveland Cavaliers pull off the upset against Durant and win their second title KD wouldnt have even joined GSW if they won NBA Finals 2016 1
What is impeachment? 2
KAT 2.0 1
>Giannis Points Per 100 by Defender (min. 100 matchups): >1. Kawhi Leonard ... 15.9 >2. Blake Griffin ........ 31.2 >3. Marvin Williams .. 31.7 >4. Pascal Siakam ... 33.2 >5. Noah Vonleh ...... 36.3 >6. Thad Young ....... 37.1 2
Very, very few players (if any) could be Clippers best player ahead of Kawhi. 1
Kawhi was traded to Raptors as a 1-year rental. He never intended to stay with them in the 1st place. 1
>As LeBron and Curry age and KD is probably never going to be prime, Giannis will probably be the undisputed best player in the league for a few years Are we gonna pretend like Kawhi Leonard doesnt exist? Never mind Luka Doncic for the entire 2020s de 1
Kawhi is saving himself for the playoffs, hence why he is doing load management in regular season. I dont think we should draw big conclusions. Weve seen how Kawhi cemented his status as NBAs best player after a legendary playoff-run last season. Lets 1
>Anyone thinking Giannis is the best player on earth is crazy. He just got locked up by Kawhi last playoffs. Yeah, Giannis has struggled badly whenever he has been guarded by Kawhi lol. https://twitter.com/MicahAdams13/status/1132643998571663367 htt 0
If Giannis had such a historically dominnant playoff-run like Kawhi, everyone would call Giannis as best player itw. 2
Idk. People definitely hated GSW long before KDs arrival lol. Steph with all his antics (the dancing, the shimmies or w/e) and backhanded cockyness especially during blowout games or if they have a huge lead, also i still remember Klay saying this is a 1
> Nobody look at GSW as villains until they added KD. Revisionist history as its finest. -4
A 100% healthy Cavs team with LeBron-Kyrie-Love were legitimately a super team. 1
James Hardens peformances in correlation with Strip Clubs https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/dt0ucg/i_analyzed_james_hardens_performance_in_every_nba/ 1
Kawhi sending Raptors to ECF with first-ever Game 7 buzzer beater in NBA history https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bnwxnm/kawhi_sents_raptors_to_ecf_snet/ 1
Joel Embiid scoring 0 points against Raptors this season https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/e21iz1/joel_embiid_0_points_011_fg_04_from_deep_03_from/f8w0ina/ 1
Joel Embiid scoring 0 points against Raptors this season https://imgur.com/a/Xb0kF2l https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/e21iz1/joel_embiid_0_points_011_fg_04_from_deep_03_from/f8w0ina/ 1
Same for Kawhi, but people still say KD is better than Kawhi. 3
Didnt Kawhi outplayed LeBron in both matchups this season? 4
Luka 2
That KD wasnt really that important of a player for GSW. -2
So people can defend LeBron if he plays badly. -1
Tim Duncan **is** the system. 11
Yes, Luka is that good. 6
Probably. 1
IMHO, KD was a big reason why GSW even played Game 6. The Raps had a 3-1 lead before KDs comeback. 2
During 2012 playoffs, KD was averaging 28.6/7.4/3.7 on shooting splits 51.7/37.3/86.4 (63.2% TS) 1
Eh, KD had more impressive playoff-runs (2012 & 2017). 1
KD was NBAs best player during 2017, but definitely not last season lol. 1
Eh, Kevin Durant? Kawhi? Harden? Theyre definitely bigger villains than LeBron and its not really close. 1
Agreed. Just a shame Kerr hates PnR since he mostly prefered a heavy motion offense system. 0
Easily and its not even close. 2
Wade won a 2006 NBA Championship as the 1st option for Miami Heat. Its not really comparable. 1
Westbrook never won a playoff-series as The Man for OKC, but many people still views him as the GOAT for that franchise due to longevity. Its only fair to assume that Nick Collison should be ranked ahead of KD with same logic. 1
So what? It doesnt change anything that Westbrook was awful as the #1 option for OKC when KD left. 1
Still cant believe GSW blew a 3-1 lead. 0
KD averaged 30, 29 and then 28 in his last three playoffs with OKC on mid to high 50s TS%s. His only "bad" post-season was his rookie year in a low efficiency first round exit in which he averaged 25 game. 1
Bucks, Miami, Raptors, Celtics & even 76ers are better teams than Nets. If KD didnt ruptured his Achilles, the Nets would easily among the biggest favorites. 2
KD before Achilles injury = Nets would be the best team in the East KD after Achilles injury = Nets are maybe 5th best team in the East 2
KP has been amazing whenever he has played, especially on defense. The only negative issue is health. 3
I mean, people are still mad about KD joining GSW even 4 years later lol. People will never get over for certain things. 6
Kawhi Kyrie KD LeBron Butler 7
Yes and I didnt even have to think twice about it. 1
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KD can lead Nets into 16-0 playoff record and win Finals MVP, but people will still hold GSW move against KD. Just like with LeBron joining up with Wade + Bosh. You cant erase your history. 0
Why? -2
Not really. OP just flat-out copy pasted the same thread 5 months ago lol. And many disagreed with that person. https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/d2tf9z/oc_during_okcs_2016_wcf_playoff_run_russell/ 1
Kawhi coasted in regular season. He came big in playoffs and brought a chip to Raps last year 1
Not anymore. Kawhi is average as a passer now. 7
Yes. LeBron fans are a big portion within NBA community and since KD is irrelevent, theyre going on Kawhi. 3
Raps were always an amazing regular season team, but never got over the hump until Kawhi was traded there. 1
LeBron teamed up with Wade & Bosh in Miami Heat. 0
Even James Harden won more games against KD-Warriors than LeBron lol. I think his record against them is 5-8. 10
>I disagree, LeBron was the undisputed #1 because he was the lead playmaker, thats not KDs role. So Westbrook was also the undisputed #1 because he was the lead playmaker? 1
During 2017 playoffs, Kawhi was actually even better until Zaza intentionally injured him. - Kawhi Leonard: 0.314 WS/48, 10.5 OBPM, 3.7 DBPM, 14.2 BPM - LeBron James: 0.275 WS/48, 7.7 OBPM, 2.1 DBPM, 9.8 BPM - Steph Curry: 0.272 WS/48, 8.3 OBPM, 1.4 DB 0
And Miami Heat had Bosh whos clearly better than Klay & Draymond. 0
What exactly did Kevin Durant for improving Curry? -3
KD played with the GOAT shooters. 3 pointers are much more valuable than dunks/midrange, so they were leaving KD with single coverege while game planning on stopping Curry. 1
Definitely, which I also mentioned in my OP. 1
Jason Kidd is a wife beater and hes talked about more often unlike Karl Malone. Winning cures everything. 1
Because Kobe was super popular. ASG is a popularity contest. 9
Shaq is a top 10 player in history and hes way more insecure than KD has ever been, which is quite of an accomplishment. 5
No wonder Kareem wanted out from Milwaukee so badly. 2
The 16-18 Warriors never 3-peated lol. Its not accurate to say theyre "best team ever". 1
The Warriors won 73-9 record & already won Championship without KD. -2
KD is arguably top 3 scorer ever. He made 30 ppg on Miami Heat and their 4th best defense while having bad spacing. 2
Because people hates Kyrie. 2
As someone who has poor economy, Id definitely love have KDs life. 2
So if KD never played against 73-9 Warriors, that move wouldve been "ok"? 2
GSW actually became worse with KD after summer 2016. - 2015-16 season: 73-9 regular season record - KD joins GSW - 2016-17 season: 67-15 regular season record - 2017-18 season: 58-24 regular season record - 2018-19 season: 57-25 regular season record -9
Pre-KD werent close being a superteam lol. 1
Luka >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rondo & Willims combined already 14
Sophomore Luka is still way better than any version of Rondo & Williams 6
The only thing LeBron has over MJ is longevity. And yet, MJ is way more accomplished in lesser time. -1
The East is ridiculously strong nowadays, which hasnt been the case since 90s. 1
Because he doesnt have Kawhi anymore 10
Because Marcus Morris 1
Giannis current supporting is on same level as Cavs 2008-2010 rosters. He should leave ASAP. -4
The late 2000s Cavs were 60+ win team & favorites reach NBA Finals. LeBron & Giannis had same amount of help. 0
It wont happen, Steven A. Smith is the face of ESPN. 4
Mavs 15
are u a man or woman? 3
And? Lakers still have massive lead over Nuggets. 0
After his choke job in NBA Finals 2011, LeBron never really had a case to be rated over Michael Jordan. -1
KDs playoff efficiency tanked all years in OKC. Hes no different than current James Harden back in the days. 2
90% of KDs value is just scoring, which I also do think hes way better at. KG is easily the superior all-around player in comparison, both offensively (especially with playmaking) and defense. 2
Steph Curry is average at defense, nowhere near of an liability you make him out to be. Magic Johnson wasnt stellar on defense and hes rated much higher than players who were much better than him on defense. As for longevity... Curry has 7 seasons of eli 0
How? KD never got over the hump in OKC until joining Currys team. 1
KD wasnt unguardable in OKC, his playoff TS% was nothing special. Even James Harden is more efficient despite KDs points are heavily assisted. Its funny how people are calling KD a "snake" & "ruined his legacy" by joining 73-9 GSW, but its other way 0
Harden being a better scorer than KD is objectivly true. Just look what theyve done when KD didnt have a 73-9 GSW supporting cast. ------- #Kevin Durant at Oklahoma City Thunder (2009-2016) **Playoffs** - 28.9 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 3.7 APG - 45.5 FG%, 32.9 -3
Its not "cherry picking" to exclude playoff runs with the most stacked team ever assembled. Harden would have performed just as well if he had that team around him. Kevin Durant played next to Steph Curry (repeat MVP who is both the greatest shooter and o -1
Why the fuck should I include Hardens years as a role player? And KDs numbers on 73-9 GSW comes with an asterisk. Why do you think most people is calling him a snake & discrediting his accomplishments there? 1
GSW isnt just any "great team". They already won NBA Championship 2015, got 73-9 regular season record & barely lost in NBA Finals 2016 thanks to a dagger by Kyrie. GSW are still a title contender if you replaced any decent player next to Curry. 1
Neither was GSW during 2017-18 season and they easily was NBAs best team. 0
>Edit: I guess wilt is the only one I can think of who is a GOAT candidate but doesn’t have an all-time great team? (Although he had some great Lakers team) LeBron had great teams in Miami Heat & Cavs (2nd stint). Its no different. -1